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		<title>By: Was Elf Yourself a Giant Success? &#171; Attention Shoppers!</title>
		<link>http://marketingroi.wordpress.com/2008/01/07/the-rules-of-viral-web-success-my-foot/#comment-18886</link>
		<dc:creator>Was Elf Yourself a Giant Success? &#171; Attention Shoppers!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] have been done for virtually any brand (true again) and probably had little effect on sales. This blog entry and the subsequent comments make good [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nala</title>
		<link>http://marketingroi.wordpress.com/2008/01/07/the-rules-of-viral-web-success-my-foot/#comment-18254</link>
		<dc:creator>Nala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jan 2008 16:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was released today in Marketing Magazine:

"Giving people a chance to “elf themselves” drove up Canadian traffic to the OfficeMax website a remarkable 395% in December.

The OfficeMax website, which let visitors insert personal headshots into an animated dancing elf greeting, had 2.7 million unique visitors last month, up from just 551,000 in November, making it the top gaining site in terms of Canadian traffic, according to the comScore World Metrix audience measurement service."

Read the full story here: http://www.marketingmag.ca/daily/20080122/national2.html

It would be interesting to see what Canadian sales #s all that traffic generated. If I come across anything, I'll post it here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was released today in Marketing Magazine:</p>
<p>&#8220;Giving people a chance to “elf themselves” drove up Canadian traffic to the OfficeMax website a remarkable 395% in December.</p>
<p>The OfficeMax website, which let visitors insert personal headshots into an animated dancing elf greeting, had 2.7 million unique visitors last month, up from just 551,000 in November, making it the top gaining site in terms of Canadian traffic, according to the comScore World Metrix audience measurement service.&#8221;</p>
<p>Read the full story here: <a href="http://www.marketingmag.ca/daily/20080122/national2.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.marketingmag.ca/daily/20080122/national2.html</a></p>
<p>It would be interesting to see what Canadian sales #s all that traffic generated. If I come across anything, I&#8217;ll post it here.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 03:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ron: You're dead on about not confusing product success among "real" consumers with product discussion among marketers. 

However, I wonder just how many products have seen a spike in sales among the "Marketer" demographic due to our own discussion. A few that come to mind that have been favorite talking points are Dyson, Apple, JetBlue, Whole Foods and Krispy Kreme. You can only talk about them so much until you actually become a fan yourself. 

(For the record, I am not suggesting OfficeMax succeeded with this.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ron: You&#8217;re dead on about not confusing product success among &#8220;real&#8221; consumers with product discussion among marketers. </p>
<p>However, I wonder just how many products have seen a spike in sales among the &#8220;Marketer&#8221; demographic due to our own discussion. A few that come to mind that have been favorite talking points are Dyson, Apple, JetBlue, Whole Foods and Krispy Kreme. You can only talk about them so much until you actually become a fan yourself. </p>
<p>(For the record, I am not suggesting OfficeMax succeeded with this.)</p>
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		<title>By: rshevlin</title>
		<link>http://marketingroi.wordpress.com/2008/01/07/the-rules-of-viral-web-success-my-foot/#comment-17721</link>
		<dc:creator>rshevlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Andy: Except that we're blogging marketers. It would be bad enough if we were simply marketers (who have an inordinate interest in discussing these kinds of things), but some of the commenters are bloggers on top of that, with that gene that prevents us from knowing when the conversation is over. 

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andy: Except that we&#8217;re blogging marketers. It would be bad enough if we were simply marketers (who have an inordinate interest in discussing these kinds of things), but some of the commenters are bloggers on top of that, with that gene that prevents us from knowing when the conversation is over. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 15:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think about it, we're all here on a blog discussing OfficeMax and their efforts, to me they did an excellent job of using this viral effort to at least start conversation about them. Conversation about your brand is almost always a good thing. It got their name on the radar for people, probably more than Staples "that was easy" campaign. It wouldn't make me shop there at the moment, but at least now they have a channel they know will work in the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think about it, we&#8217;re all here on a blog discussing OfficeMax and their efforts, to me they did an excellent job of using this viral effort to at least start conversation about them. Conversation about your brand is almost always a good thing. It got their name on the radar for people, probably more than Staples &#8220;that was easy&#8221; campaign. It wouldn&#8217;t make me shop there at the moment, but at least now they have a channel they know will work in the future.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffry Pilcher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeffry Pilcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 05:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About the metric of "impressions," I agree: 110 million for such a low investment is impressive. Some may argue that no one knows the cost of the investment, but I think everyone intuitively understands that the cost-per-impression for this campaign works in OfficeMax's favor. Bigtime.

I (for 1-in-110 million) cringed when these "elfed" emails first started popping up in my inbox. The first one was "okay." The next two were from different friends and family members, and... Well, let's just say, the novelty wore off.

I got four total. Did I get counted four times? Am I a "happy viewer?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the metric of &#8220;impressions,&#8221; I agree: 110 million for such a low investment is impressive. Some may argue that no one knows the cost of the investment, but I think everyone intuitively understands that the cost-per-impression for this campaign works in OfficeMax&#8217;s favor. Bigtime.</p>
<p>I (for 1-in-110 million) cringed when these &#8220;elfed&#8221; emails first started popping up in my inbox. The first one was &#8220;okay.&#8221; The next two were from different friends and family members, and&#8230; Well, let&#8217;s just say, the novelty wore off.</p>
<p>I got four total. Did I get counted four times? Am I a &#8220;happy viewer?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Credit Union Warrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>Credit Union Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 04:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Jeffry I'm merely suggesting 110 million happy viewers of a company advertisement is a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Jeffry I&#8217;m merely suggesting 110 million happy viewers of a company advertisement is a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffry Pilcher</title>
		<link>http://marketingroi.wordpress.com/2008/01/07/the-rules-of-viral-web-success-my-foot/#comment-17642</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffry Pilcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay guys, if you are suggesting that OfficeMax either will or should stick with spokeselves, pass me whatever you're smoking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay guys, if you are suggesting that OfficeMax either will or should stick with spokeselves, pass me whatever you&#8217;re smoking.</p>
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		<title>By: Denise Wymore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise Wymore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:14:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Brett - good point.  A friend of mine told me the definition of brand is: practicing active restraint. In a weird way I think GEICO has done a good job of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Brett - good point.  A friend of mine told me the definition of brand is: practicing active restraint. In a weird way I think GEICO has done a good job of that.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 02:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Denise - I actually liked the GEICO lizard's original accent. It changed about two years ago, and it used to not be so proper. 

I wonder if its brilliance is directly related to the fact that they just stuck with it long enough to be "branded" in our minds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Denise - I actually liked the GEICO lizard&#8217;s original accent. It changed about two years ago, and it used to not be so proper. </p>
<p>I wonder if its brilliance is directly related to the fact that they just stuck with it long enough to be &#8220;branded&#8221; in our minds.</p>
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		<title>By: Denise Wymore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Denise Wymore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Pilcher - see Warrior's comment above.

I imagine many said the same when the GEICO lizard first appeared, ...."what the hell?" 

Now that it's successful - it's brilliant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Pilcher - see Warrior&#8217;s comment above.</p>
<p>I imagine many said the same when the GEICO lizard first appeared, &#8230;.&#8221;what the hell?&#8221; </p>
<p>Now that it&#8217;s successful - it&#8217;s brilliant.</p>
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		<title>By: Credit Union Warrior</title>
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		<dc:creator>Credit Union Warrior</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@rshevlin - Absolutely. We're missing way too much information to evaluate the program, though, wouldn't you agree? I will concur that the AdWeek article was bunk...but I can't agree with your evaluation of Elf Yourself until we have more information (cost of the program and end-user behavior in particular).

@CU Communicator - You crack me up! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@rshevlin - Absolutely. We&#8217;re missing way too much information to evaluate the program, though, wouldn&#8217;t you agree? I will concur that the AdWeek article was bunk&#8230;but I can&#8217;t agree with your evaluation of Elf Yourself until we have more information (cost of the program and end-user behavior in particular).</p>
<p>@CU Communicator - You crack me up! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: CU Communicator</title>
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		<dc:creator>CU Communicator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Office Max saw the success Staples was having with the Easy Button campaign and figured they were elfed.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Office Max saw the success Staples was having with the Easy Button campaign and figured they were elfed. <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Jeffry Pilcher</title>
		<link>http://marketingroi.wordpress.com/2008/01/07/the-rules-of-viral-web-success-my-foot/#comment-17575</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffry Pilcher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 17:29:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since I didn't elf myself, I wonder what the process was to create an elf email. Did you have to go to the main OfficeMax website? If so, then maybe this was a ploy to drive online holiday sales. (Ron's original post seems to imply that "viral" was the goal. Maybe it was just a consequence.)

I'm sure that OfficeMax has data on (1) the number of people who generated elf emails and what purchases they made, and (2) the number of recipients who clicked on the OfficeMax logo in the elf email and then made a purchase.

Maybe the elf campaign had little to do with awareness and everything to do with incremental increases in holiday sales. Maybe it was a low-cost dragnet, hoping to ensnare "1 in a 1,000" folks who just might think about getting a camera or a flash drive. If this is the case, we may want to lighten up on them.

@ Denise: A spokesman used for 10 years like the GEICO lizard is not the same thing as elves used once in a Christmas promotion - period. The recurring spokesman is a tool to build long-term familiarity with a brand. A seasonal character used one time is a gag, a gambit.

This is doubly true when the "character" in question is a million elves created by millions of different users. It's impossible for OfficeMax to sustain ownership of an "elf position" in the minds of consumers when they themselves are the elves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I didn&#8217;t elf myself, I wonder what the process was to create an elf email. Did you have to go to the main OfficeMax website? If so, then maybe this was a ploy to drive online holiday sales. (Ron&#8217;s original post seems to imply that &#8220;viral&#8221; was the goal. Maybe it was just a consequence.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure that OfficeMax has data on (1) the number of people who generated elf emails and what purchases they made, and (2) the number of recipients who clicked on the OfficeMax logo in the elf email and then made a purchase.</p>
<p>Maybe the elf campaign had little to do with awareness and everything to do with incremental increases in holiday sales. Maybe it was a low-cost dragnet, hoping to ensnare &#8220;1 in a 1,000&#8243; folks who just might think about getting a camera or a flash drive. If this is the case, we may want to lighten up on them.</p>
<p>@ Denise: A spokesman used for 10 years like the GEICO lizard is not the same thing as elves used once in a Christmas promotion - period. The recurring spokesman is a tool to build long-term familiarity with a brand. A seasonal character used one time is a gag, a gambit.</p>
<p>This is doubly true when the &#8220;character&#8221; in question is a million elves created by millions of different users. It&#8217;s impossible for OfficeMax to sustain ownership of an &#8220;elf position&#8221; in the minds of consumers when they themselves are the elves.</p>
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		<title>By: Web Views and Traffic Mean Nothing &#171; Brett&#8217;s Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Web Views and Traffic Mean Nothing &#171; Brett&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 17:14:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ron and Fleet Street PR have interesting rants on the overreaction to views of viral video campaigns, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Denise Wymore</title>
		<link>http://marketingroi.wordpress.com/2008/01/07/the-rules-of-viral-web-success-my-foot/#comment-17570</link>
		<dc:creator>Denise Wymore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Shevlin - (pulllleeeaassseee....lizard and government employees - no connection BUT they MADE it a connection) my point is...how do you KNOW that OfficeMax is not planning a similar campaign? Give them a chance.
Viral or whatever. It's fun, it's good and in my opinion did its job to get so much discussion here.

Elf for President!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Shevlin - (pulllleeeaassseee&#8230;.lizard and government employees - no connection BUT they MADE it a connection) my point is&#8230;how do you KNOW that OfficeMax is not planning a similar campaign? Give them a chance.<br />
Viral or whatever. It&#8217;s fun, it&#8217;s good and in my opinion did its job to get so much discussion here.</p>
<p>Elf for President!</p>
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		<title>By: rshevlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>rshevlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Denise: You're not serious are you? Gekko, Geico, get it? The thing that makes it successful is that it isn't some "hit and run" thing. They've stuck with it, used it in a number of campaigns, integrated it into their Web site, and, in the ads, have the stupid little thing talk about how to save money -- which supports their brand positioning. But this isn't even worth discussing because it's not a "viral" campaign, so it's not even a fair comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Denise: You&#8217;re not serious are you? Gekko, Geico, get it? The thing that makes it successful is that it isn&#8217;t some &#8220;hit and run&#8221; thing. They&#8217;ve stuck with it, used it in a number of campaigns, integrated it into their Web site, and, in the ads, have the stupid little thing talk about how to save money &#8212; which supports their brand positioning. But this isn&#8217;t even worth discussing because it&#8217;s not a &#8220;viral&#8221; campaign, so it&#8217;s not even a fair comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: Denise Wymore</title>
		<link>http://marketingroi.wordpress.com/2008/01/07/the-rules-of-viral-web-success-my-foot/#comment-17568</link>
		<dc:creator>Denise Wymore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 15:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two thoughts:
1. I elfed-myself. (and that's just fun to say, write AND do). I did not know OfficeMax gave me the toy.
2. I wouldn't give up on them. I mean, we just blogged about it. We're keeping it alive and giving Office Max exactly what it wanted...word-of-mouth. 
To all of you who poo-pooed it becuase the "Elf" wasn't relevant. That's just sad. How is a nocturnal and often highly vocal lizard  relevant to the Government Employees Insurance Company? 
It is now - that's good viral (or whatever you call it) marketing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two thoughts:<br />
1. I elfed-myself. (and that&#8217;s just fun to say, write AND do). I did not know OfficeMax gave me the toy.<br />
2. I wouldn&#8217;t give up on them. I mean, we just blogged about it. We&#8217;re keeping it alive and giving Office Max exactly what it wanted&#8230;word-of-mouth.<br />
To all of you who poo-pooed it becuase the &#8220;Elf&#8221; wasn&#8217;t relevant. That&#8217;s just sad. How is a nocturnal and often highly vocal lizard  relevant to the Government Employees Insurance Company?<br />
It is now - that&#8217;s good viral (or whatever you call it) marketing.</p>
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		<title>By: Response is Not the Same as Results &#171; Portland&#8217;s Finest Advertising Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Response is Not the Same as Results &#171; Portland&#8217;s Finest Advertising Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] You want rules of viral web success? A viral web effort succeeds when it&#8230; [read the rest of the post here.] [...]</description>
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		<title>By: rshevlin</title>
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		<dc:creator>rshevlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 14:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Warrior: It's about INCREMENTAL awareness, not absolute awareness. If I was already aware of OfficeMax AND positively oriented towards the firm, the viral campaign may have had some effect of strengthening that connection, but the real point is that, by simply counting hits, no one knows the real impact -- and thus, can NOT claim that the effort was successful.

@Robert: Thanks for taking the time to comment. I think you're absolutely right that the PR they got of this was immense. But then that really raises another question: What's the bottom line value of PR to a firm that already has high awareness and name recognition?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Warrior: It&#8217;s about INCREMENTAL awareness, not absolute awareness. If I was already aware of OfficeMax AND positively oriented towards the firm, the viral campaign may have had some effect of strengthening that connection, but the real point is that, by simply counting hits, no one knows the real impact &#8212; and thus, can NOT claim that the effort was successful.</p>
<p>@Robert: Thanks for taking the time to comment. I think you&#8217;re absolutely right that the PR they got of this was immense. But then that really raises another question: What&#8217;s the bottom line value of PR to a firm that already has high awareness and name recognition?</p>
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		<title>By: Doug Williams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 03:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There's something to be said that Elf Yourself was counter to OfficeMax's marketing message of improving return - hurting return for its customers (in terms of lost productivity and resources, granted, minimal...but those little increments add up).  Of course, I'm a bit of a curmudgeon, so it may not be terribly relevant, but it pleases me to point this out.

But that raises the point that bad marketing, no matter the investment (if you blow it little or you blow it big, you just blow it), is detrimental to that carefully crafted asset. 

But let's give props to a great execution of viral marketing, creating your own Simpson's character: http://www.simpsonsmovie.com/main.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s something to be said that Elf Yourself was counter to OfficeMax&#8217;s marketing message of improving return - hurting return for its customers (in terms of lost productivity and resources, granted, minimal&#8230;but those little increments add up).  Of course, I&#8217;m a bit of a curmudgeon, so it may not be terribly relevant, but it pleases me to point this out.</p>
<p>But that raises the point that bad marketing, no matter the investment (if you blow it little or you blow it big, you just blow it), is detrimental to that carefully crafted asset. </p>
<p>But let&#8217;s give props to a great execution of viral marketing, creating your own Simpson&#8217;s character: <a href="http://www.simpsonsmovie.com/main.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.simpsonsmovie.com/main.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Vladimir Dimitroff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Vladimir Dimitroff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 00:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Viral - almost certainly. Marketing? Not sure -&lt;/b&gt;

Obsessed with the (thankfully fading) novelty of 'viral', both marketers and commentators tend to forget that it's just a mechanism (channel) for reaching audiences with a message. (Audience, message and channel are still the essential ingredients of communication, remove one and it just doesn't happen).

The viral channel has two levels of sophistication, critically differentiated by the &lt;i&gt;engagement&lt;/i&gt; of the 'infected' individuals (network nodes). At the first level (where most existing campaigns are drilling at present), the channel is a &lt;i&gt;many-to-many&lt;/i&gt; medium for spreading a &lt;i&gt;one-to-many&lt;/i&gt; message. The company generates the message (with a target audience in mind), 'unleashes the virus' (in Seth's words) and hopes for the best. At the second level (only a handful of pioneers are dipping a toe in the ocean for now) the network 'node' is involved in &lt;i&gt;generating&lt;/i&gt; the message - in content as much as form. Resulting in a living behive of many-to-many messages...

Apologies for the patronising reminder of basics you all know - but in the above light, what has the campaign in question done?

The channel is apparently there, they have created a many-to-many medium where 'something' spreads really far (50 countries, wow! I can't even list as many from memory :)

What is the target audience? 80-year old grannies or 8-year old kids - or both? I didn't hear anything in the report about &lt;b&gt;very certain&lt;/b&gt; segments and clusters like 35-year old esecretaries who routinely order the stationery in smaller offices like ours? Or 40-year old procurement executives in larger corporate offices who do all the comparisson spreadsheets and arm-wrestling price negotiations? (Or their 50-year old bosses who hold the budgets and sign the 'supplier of choice' contracts?) Defining a clear target audience was apparently not in the brief (or in the competence?) of this agency (and their client).

And the message? Was it a brand awareness campaign? Even without data to calculate the impression costs, 1 in 10 (as another comment suggests) viewers &lt;i&gt;noticing&lt;/i&gt; whose campaign is this, is a very, very low number for a &lt;i&gt;brand&lt;/i&gt; campaign. And in this case it sounds like it's 1 in 100 or less... Or was it a product promotion? (even less, I think). &lt;b&gt;What exactly did they want to tell (those they had no idea they are talking to)?&lt;/b&gt;  Even if the message was 'This company is innovative and fun to deal with' (as many comments try to interpret it), the question 'Which company?' remains...

Most marketers (and agencies, even to a greater extent) tend to focus on one aspect/ingredient of communication in isolation from the others. Very often we hear praise of brilliantly crafted messages. Indeed, great copywriters and creative teams often succeed to really 'say' something, and say it very, very convincingly, in a memorable way. Then this is painted on a facade with 'great traffic' passing by (100 cars a minute, with every driver having less than a second to read the message - if he stops looking at the road ahead, that is). Or an agency boasts about the clever analytics they used to segment and micro-segment a target audience. Great work, but that audience was addressed in a medium they don't bother to watch, with response rates below the statistical noise.

The 3-legged stool of (marketing - but also &lt;i&gt;any&lt;/i&gt;) communication needs all 3: audience, channel and message. Or you spectacularly fall.

'Viral' is no exception.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Viral - almost certainly. Marketing? Not sure -</b></p>
<p>Obsessed with the (thankfully fading) novelty of &#8216;viral&#8217;, both marketers and commentators tend to forget that it&#8217;s just a mechanism (channel) for reaching audiences with a message. (Audience, message and channel are still the essential ingredients of communication, remove one and it just doesn&#8217;t happen).</p>
<p>The viral channel has two levels of sophistication, critically differentiated by the <i>engagement</i> of the &#8216;infected&#8217; individuals (network nodes). At the first level (where most existing campaigns are drilling at present), the channel is a <i>many-to-many</i> medium for spreading a <i>one-to-many</i> message. The company generates the message (with a target audience in mind), &#8216;unleashes the virus&#8217; (in Seth&#8217;s words) and hopes for the best. At the second level (only a handful of pioneers are dipping a toe in the ocean for now) the network &#8216;node&#8217; is involved in <i>generating</i> the message - in content as much as form. Resulting in a living behive of many-to-many messages&#8230;</p>
<p>Apologies for the patronising reminder of basics you all know - but in the above light, what has the campaign in question done?</p>
<p>The channel is apparently there, they have created a many-to-many medium where &#8217;something&#8217; spreads really far (50 countries, wow! I can&#8217;t even list as many from memory <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>What is the target audience? 80-year old grannies or 8-year old kids - or both? I didn&#8217;t hear anything in the report about <b>very certain</b> segments and clusters like 35-year old esecretaries who routinely order the stationery in smaller offices like ours? Or 40-year old procurement executives in larger corporate offices who do all the comparisson spreadsheets and arm-wrestling price negotiations? (Or their 50-year old bosses who hold the budgets and sign the &#8217;supplier of choice&#8217; contracts?) Defining a clear target audience was apparently not in the brief (or in the competence?) of this agency (and their client).</p>
<p>And the message? Was it a brand awareness campaign? Even without data to calculate the impression costs, 1 in 10 (as another comment suggests) viewers <i>noticing</i> whose campaign is this, is a very, very low number for a <i>brand</i> campaign. And in this case it sounds like it&#8217;s 1 in 100 or less&#8230; Or was it a product promotion? (even less, I think). <b>What exactly did they want to tell (those they had no idea they are talking to)?</b>  Even if the message was &#8216;This company is innovative and fun to deal with&#8217; (as many comments try to interpret it), the question &#8216;Which company?&#8217; remains&#8230;</p>
<p>Most marketers (and agencies, even to a greater extent) tend to focus on one aspect/ingredient of communication in isolation from the others. Very often we hear praise of brilliantly crafted messages. Indeed, great copywriters and creative teams often succeed to really &#8217;say&#8217; something, and say it very, very convincingly, in a memorable way. Then this is painted on a facade with &#8216;great traffic&#8217; passing by (100 cars a minute, with every driver having less than a second to read the message - if he stops looking at the road ahead, that is). Or an agency boasts about the clever analytics they used to segment and micro-segment a target audience. Great work, but that audience was addressed in a medium they don&#8217;t bother to watch, with response rates below the statistical noise.</p>
<p>The 3-legged stool of (marketing - but also <i>any</i>) communication needs all 3: audience, channel and message. Or you spectacularly fall.</p>
<p>&#8216;Viral&#8217; is no exception.</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Grigg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ted Grigg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 00:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Costs are often unseen in such efforts. No telling how much staff energy and management thinking time was required to pull this off.

Marketing efforts need to focus on sales results. Management already spends too much precious time in unproductive activity.

There is potential here. But movement does not equal progress.

I'm with Ron on this one. You had better find a way to quantify all resource expenditures whether they are actual dollars spent or planning/implementation energy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Costs are often unseen in such efforts. No telling how much staff energy and management thinking time was required to pull this off.</p>
<p>Marketing efforts need to focus on sales results. Management already spends too much precious time in unproductive activity.</p>
<p>There is potential here. But movement does not equal progress.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m with Ron on this one. You had better find a way to quantify all resource expenditures whether they are actual dollars spent or planning/implementation energy.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Sasquin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Sasquin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 00:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All of the metric requirements are great.  And in most cases,
where a viral success is claimed on a few million impressions, it's probably important to make sure that the site works hard to deliver results.

But in this case, OfficeMax simply leveraged off an asset they created last year.  The cost of the effort (other than bandwidth) was probably relatively small, but the reach seems to have been phenomenal.

OfficeMax likely doesn't care if only 1 in 1000 users was influenced to act.  That population is probably larger than most viral efforts out there that people brag about as a success.

It's probably more fair to look at this and evaluate it as a giant PR effort (where it's not quite so much about targeting).  The thing seemed to be everywhere, from blogs to magazines to CNN to the morning shows.   Just imagining how much is spend by companies in PR fees trying to get a fraction of this exposure.

Bottom line, while it wasn't a targeted effort, it probably didn't need to be.  For a few bucks, the likely got their money's worth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of the metric requirements are great.  And in most cases,<br />
where a viral success is claimed on a few million impressions, it&#8217;s probably important to make sure that the site works hard to deliver results.</p>
<p>But in this case, OfficeMax simply leveraged off an asset they created last year.  The cost of the effort (other than bandwidth) was probably relatively small, but the reach seems to have been phenomenal.</p>
<p>OfficeMax likely doesn&#8217;t care if only 1 in 1000 users was influenced to act.  That population is probably larger than most viral efforts out there that people brag about as a success.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s probably more fair to look at this and evaluate it as a giant PR effort (where it&#8217;s not quite so much about targeting).  The thing seemed to be everywhere, from blogs to magazines to CNN to the morning shows.   Just imagining how much is spend by companies in PR fees trying to get a fraction of this exposure.</p>
<p>Bottom line, while it wasn&#8217;t a targeted effort, it probably didn&#8217;t need to be.  For a few bucks, the likely got their money&#8217;s worth.</p>
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		<title>By: Robbie Wright</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robbie Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2008 23:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Matt-

You've got a good point too.  How much would you pay for 100K impressions?  It reminds me of the recent Taco Bell stunt the put on during the World Series to give away a free hard taco to every American if someone stole a base.  Relatively small investment, huge impression.</description>
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<p>You&#8217;ve got a good point too.  How much would you pay for 100K impressions?  It reminds me of the recent Taco Bell stunt the put on during the World Series to give away a free hard taco to every American if someone stole a base.  Relatively small investment, huge impression.</p>
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